tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529016898634168069.post3094710185333062008..comments2024-01-09T18:12:48.883+00:00Comments on Phil's Treehouse: All FX’d UpPhilip Ritchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05912352719196616923noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529016898634168069.post-3550681222347611352010-11-12T18:46:13.568+00:002010-11-12T18:46:13.568+00:00Thanks for the comment Maggi. I've never met G...Thanks for the comment Maggi. I've never met Giles but sometimes he really hits the nail on the head with his Church Times column. This time he missed it by a mile.Philip Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05912352719196616923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529016898634168069.post-15902501977159099062010-11-12T16:21:11.361+00:002010-11-12T16:21:11.361+00:00Odd that a Cathedral Canon is willing to knock any...Odd that a Cathedral Canon is willing to knock anything that is not "traditional parish". Does that include Cathedrals? (I like Giles, by the way, both in print and in real life, but this wasn't one of his better pieces)maggihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246507654740964519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529016898634168069.post-45122756086063452942010-11-11T08:20:38.763+00:002010-11-11T08:20:38.763+00:00Thanks for the comments everyone. At least Giles h...Thanks for the comments everyone. At least Giles has drawn attention and debate to the subject.<br /><br />Jeremy, I've posted a link to your post on my blog.Philip Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05912352719196616923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529016898634168069.post-14210499735940846972010-11-10T22:08:14.936+00:002010-11-10T22:08:14.936+00:00Phil
I agree entirely - and blogged in much the sa...Phil<br />I agree entirely - and blogged in much the same way. My irritation was not the critique, but the unfair parody which Giles then set out to demolish. He's a better thinker than that.<br />My blog: http://jeremyfletcher.wordpress.com/2010/11/06/fresh-expression-stale-journalism/Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04298502924688947241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529016898634168069.post-19742268685504229792010-11-10T21:16:28.122+00:002010-11-10T21:16:28.122+00:00What’s wrong with that Giles?
Indeed, nothing at...<i> What’s wrong with that Giles? </i><br /><br />Indeed, nothing at all. I was recently at a presentation of some Fresh Expressions work and couldn't help turning to my neighbour and noting <br /><br />"this is nothing special. Back in Sydney we just call this 'church'!" ;-)David Ouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10622248017352143637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529016898634168069.post-29273493631728573312010-11-10T13:36:50.483+00:002010-11-10T13:36:50.483+00:00Giles' comments not only missrepresent Fresh E...Giles' comments not only missrepresent Fresh Expressions (of which I am not particularly a supporter) but they also fail to understand the situation which the Parish model finds itself in.<br /><br />In Llandaff diocese we have Parish Priests in charge of 4, sometimes 5 Parishes. Each church building crumbling, each comminty of believers crumbling more quickly.<br /><br />This is not just an opportunity to promote an evangelical style of one-man-one-parish ministry; highchurchers fail to realise that many parishes are having to forego communion 3 Sundays a month.<br /><br />The Parish system is dying.<br /><br />which is a shame, but where neccissary we have an apt replacement, the Minster model.<br /><br />This is the Church; come to us.<br /><br />Each Church building then is free to develop daughter-branches, freshexpressions if it so chooses, so long as it is all tied into the corporate nature of Sunday Eucharist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529016898634168069.post-91931170164628446852010-11-10T12:34:47.866+00:002010-11-10T12:34:47.866+00:00Bravo Phil. I was alerted to Giles Fraser's ar...Bravo Phil. I was alerted to Giles Fraser's article by David Keen's tweet yesterday, read the article and was as incensed as you and David appear to have been. I find Giles frustrating in that sometimes he hits the nail firmly on the head, while at other times (such as here) he just makes me want to scream.<br /><br />To me you appear to have covered most of the bases on this one. I can't quite understand why some people have difficulty appreciating that mission in this country, as much as elsewhere, needs to be properly contextualised (or enculturated, if you prefer) by people who have taken the time and effort to familiarise themselves thoroughly with the culture of those among whom they minister, whether surfers or the elderly. One size (the traditional parish) no longer fits all, though it does fit some.Revsimmyhttp://revsimmy.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com